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BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:08 am
Author: Piling
I guess that out of UK, no one understand anything.

Could someone explain why the Parliament reject all May's drafts ?

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:30 pm
Author: Anthea
Piling wrote:I guess that out of UK, no one understand anything.

Could someone explain why the Parliament reject all May's drafts ?

In all honesty, May has made so many proposals that I, and almost everyone else in the UK, have lost touch with what is happening

We are fed UP

England voted to leave, Scotland voted to stay

Over the years that the UK has been a member of the EU the regulations have become more and more weird

And most EU regulations are written by groups of drunken, non elected, civil servants. Passed directly into UK law without anyone ever voting on them

The amount of farm produce that is destroyed because it was unsellable as it did not comply with the almost non-stop nonsensical EU regulations, could feed half of Africa

Many farms have closed due to due to EU regulations X(

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:48 pm
Author: Anthea
Tomorrow is the vote and I, like almost everyone I know, will vote for the BREXIT party :ymparty:

A little history:

Great Britain once ruled a large portion of the world (having invaded various countries and slaughtered many of the inhabitants)

Many of those countries became known as the British Commonwealth

During WW2 a large number of people from British Commonwealth came to the UK to fight for Mother England

Up until the UK joined the EU, we used to do a lot of trade with British Commonwealth

After joining the EU the rules enforced upon the UK became stricter and more bizarre

We were forced to turn our backs on British Commonwealth countries and trade more within the EU. In so doing we nearly destroyed the economy of many of the British Commonwealth countries

I totally loath the EU for what it has done to our farming industries and what the UK did to British Commonwealth countries due to ever encroaching EU regulations

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm
Author: Anthea
Worst still - I remember who first had the idea of uniting Europe and forming a united European army X(

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:58 pm
Author: Anthea
Farage on course to thrash Tories as Euro Election polls close - and Boris could be heading to No10, Mail poll reveals

    Farage is heading for a landslide victory in the European Parliament elections

    They are the main findings of an opinion survey which concluded at midnight

    The Survation poll for the Daily Mail shows Mr Farage’s Brexit Party well ahead

    They are trailed by Labour on 23, Conservatives on 14 and the Lib Dems on 12
Nigel Farage is heading for a landslide victory in the European Parliament elections – and Boris Johnson has raced into a big early lead in the battle to succeed Theresa May as Prime Minister.

They are the main findings of an opinion survey which concluded at midnight on Wednesday after it became clear that Mrs May was on the brink of resigning.

The Survation poll for the Daily Mail shows Mr Farage’s Brexit Party well ahead in the European elections on 31 per cent, trailed by Labour on 23, the Conservatives on 14 and the Lib Dems on 12.

Nearly seven out of ten Tory voters said the reason they did not intend to vote for Mrs May yesterday was because of her failure to deliver Brexit. Calls for her to step down were backed by 57 per cent of Conservatives with 25 per cent against.

A jubilant Nigel Farage outside a polling station in Kent today with his Brexit Party apparently racing towards victory

With the Tory leadership contest about to begin, most of the party’s supporters appear to have already decided that former Foreign Secretary Johnson is the best person to revive their dismal ratings and sort out the Brexit chaos.

A total of 36 per cent of Conservatives said he should be next leader, with Home Secretary Sajid Javid a distant second on nine per cent, followed by Environment Secretary Michael Gove on seven and Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt on five.

The highest placed women candidates are Andrea Leadsom, who resigned from the Cabinet on Wednesday, and fellow Brexiteer, former TV presenter Esther McVey.

Both are on three per cent. Mr Johnson has almost as big a lead over his Conservative rivals among voters as a whole. With the Tories expected to choose a new leader by the end of July, his fellow leadership contenders will have their work cut out to close the gap.

If he does replace Mrs May, Mr Johnson’s campaigning skills may be put to the test very quickly. Despite Mr Farage’s success in the European elections, a total of 43 per cent say a General Election will be needed to sort out the Brexit mess, with 29 per cent in disagreement.

The good news for the Tories is that the poll suggests their popularity will go up now Mrs May has quit. A total of 42 per cent of Conservatives say her leaving would make them more likely to vote for the party.

Furthermore, 43 per cent of Tories say they are more likely to vote for the Party with Mr Johnson at the helm; 24 per cent are less likely to do so.

The bad news for the Conservatives is that 48 per cent of voters believe a new General Election would produce another hung Parliament. One in five say Labour would win and only 12 per cent say the Conservatives would triumph.

Mr Farage yesterday threatened to follow up his anticipated success in the European elections in the next General Election, warning MPs in the three main parties they would ‘all be unemployed’ if the Brexit Party challenged them.

But the Survation poll suggests he could fall short of that target. In a General Election, the Brexit Party’s support of 31 in the European elections would fall to 12, not enough to guarantee them winning a single MP.

A total of 46 per cent of Conservatives back calls to neutralise the threat from the Brexit Party by forming a pact with it; 31 per cent are against such a move.

The survey shows there is little enthusiasm for the kind of No Deal Brexit advocated by Mr Johnson and Mr Farage, but voters believe it is becoming increasingly likely.

Conservative MP and leadership hopeful Boris Johnson left his London home this morning (pictured) amid government turmoil. With the Tory leadership contest about to begin, most of the party’s supporters appear to have already decided that former Foreign Secretary Johnson is the best person to revive their dismal ratings and sort out the Brexit chaos, according to a new poll

Some 34 per cent say the UK will cut its ties with Brussels without a deal; 26 per cent say we will stay in the EU and 20 per cent say we will leave with a deal.

And there is grave concern that a No Deal Brexit could break up the UK. Forty per cent of voters fear it would lead to Scotland becoming independent against 21 per cent who disagree. Thirty per cent say it would result in Northern Ireland becoming part of a United Ireland; 17 per cent disagree.

Despite Tory support for Mrs May’s decision to go, Conservative voters do not hold her primarily responsible for her downfall. A total of 54 per cent point the finger at rebel Tory MPs; 27 per cent say she has herself to blame.

Voters as a whole are divided on how she will be judged by history. A total of 45 per cent say she failed her country; the same number say her party failed her.

The poll shows that Jeremy Corbyn’s hold on the Labour leadership is far from secure. A total of 55 per cent of voters said he should resign and 40 per cent would be more likely to vote Labour if he was replaced. ... close.html

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:01 pm
Author: Anthea

Results will not be known until Sunday

Good Guess is Farage will win UK vote :ymapplause:

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 7:03 pm
Author: Anthea
In France, Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally party will take top spot, with 23.2 per cent of the vote against Macron's centrist grouping on 21.9 per cent according to polls.

Not many results are in as yet :-?

Telegraph has a regularly updated result section: ... ected-win/

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:53 am
Author: Anthea
UK results

The Brexit Party
28 MEPs

Liberal Democrat
15 MEPs

10 MEPs

7 MEPs:

3 MEPs:

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:25 am
Author: Anthea
I believe the UK should follow the WTO rules:

What Are the WTO Rules of Global Trade?

Current WTO rules are codified in three agreements:

    The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), covering international trade in goods;

    The General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS); and the Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS).

    The GATT was established after World War II, while the GATS and TRIPS both came into force in 1995.
The goal of these agreements is to foster an environment conducive to free trade. The most important rules mainly serve to do the following:

    rein in anti-import tariffs;

    ease customs procedures;

    discourage domestic laws and taxes that may be classified as protection;

    reduce quotas and subsidies
The rules are based on a set of common principles. These include non-discrimination, freer trade, predictability, and promotion of economic development and growth. For example, the “most favored nation” (MFN) principle states that if a country grants any tariff or non-tariff treatment to one WTO member state, it must grant the same to all members. ... nal-trade/

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:07 am
Author: Anthea
WTO’s 164 member nations

EU 27 member nations

UK has the same trade agreement with only 6 other EU nations

All other EU nations have individual agreements with each other

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:50 am
Author: Anthea
Brexit and Parliament:
What just happened?

In a dramatic move on Wednesday morning, Britain's new Prime Minister Boris Johnson set in motion the suspension of the UK Parliament - which means MPs have much less time to debate Brexit, the process of the UK leaving the European Union

The story in 100 words:

Parliament is to be suspended for five weeks ahead of 31 October, the day the UK is due to leave the EU.

That's just nine weeks away.

People who want the UK to remain in the EU are calling it a coup - and even some in favour of Brexit have criticised the move.

Mr Johnson wants to start a new parliamentary session, with a fresh programme, from 14 October. Instead of a normal three-week autumn recess, parliament will now wrap up some time around 10 September.

With so little time, MPs would find it difficult to stop the UK leaving the EU without a deal.
The story in 500 words

Wait, what just happened?

Parliament always stops work for a few weeks in the autumn. But this isn't a normal recess: Mr Johnson is cutting short the current parliamentary session at a critical time.

The UK was originally scheduled to leave the EU on 29 March. After Parliament rejected the deal negotiated with the EU three times, that deadline was extended. Departure day is now 31 October.

Mr Johnson, who was one of the key figures in the Leave campaign, has promised to complete Brexit "do or die" - with or without a deal.

However, most opposition members of Parliament (MPs) and some from the governing Conservative Party don't want to leave the EU without a deal. They fear it would damage the British economy, putting up prices and limiting access to the UK's biggest market.

They've threatened to bring legislation ruling out a no-deal Brexit. Failing that, they could also call a vote of no-confidence in the government.

Is it legal to suspend Parliament?

Yes. It's what normally happens between the end of one session and the beginning of the next.

However, the circumstances are unusual.

A legal challenge would be difficult, since the government isn't breaking any law. It's just using parliamentary procedure, as Mr Johnson tries to fulfil his campaign promise to get the UK out of the EU.

MPs could either go along with the suspension, with the risk of a no-deal Brexit, or they could trigger an election with a vote of no confidence in the government.

The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has called the suspension a "constitutional outrage" designed to prevent MPs from debating Brexit.

What about the Queen?

She does have a say, but it's limited. Technically, the government had to ask her for permission to suspend Parliament.

This is normally a formality: the Queen keeps out of politics. If she had refused, that would have been unprecedented.

She did not refuse.

The Queen at Balmoral (file photo, summer 2019) Image copyright PA Media
Image caption The Queen has always kept herself out of frontline politics

What happens next?

Good question.

Parliament will go back to work next Tuesday 3 September, but will then go into recess.

If Mr Johnson gets his way, Parliament returns on 14 October, two-and-a-half weeks before the UK leaves the EU.

However, if MPs pass a vote of no-confidence before 10 September, there could be a general election in October.

If there's an election, will Brexit still happen?

That depends. If the Conservatives win, then yes. They're ahead in the opinion polls, at about 31% last week, after Mr Johnson took over from the previous Prime Minister, Theresa May, in July.

The main opposition Labour Party is trailing by 10 to 12 points, on about 21%. Labour is divided between traditional working-class areas, which tend to support Brexit, and voters in cities like London who are more in favour of remaining in the EU.

But a Conservative win is not necessarily in the bag. Other parties, including the centre-left Liberal Democrats and the Scottish Nationalists, are all staunchly opposed to Brexit on any terms.

And then there's the Brexit Party under Nigel Farage, whose central policy is to get the UK out of the EU.

The fluid political situation and tight opinion polls make it difficult to say who might get a majority, if anyone.

This makes any election difficult to predict. Just ask Mrs May: she called an early election in 2017 but returned with a reduced majority, dependent on 10 MPs from Northern Ireland.

As a result, she had to agree to a deal which would keep the UK aligned with EU rules for longer than Brexit supporters would accept.

And so here we are. =))

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:02 pm
Author: Anthea
Actually, it is easy to explain:

    The UK held a referendum

    The majority of the population voted to leave

Whether or not we left the EU was never supposed to be anything to do with party lines

Our elected MPs were duty bound to follow the wishes of the population

Unfortunately, some loony left politicians decided to make BREXIT a political party issue as it sought to bring down the government

I repeat:

    The majority of the population voted to leave

    Our politicians were duty bound to work TOGETHER to bring about BREXIT as quickly and smoothly as possible

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:33 pm
Author: Anthea
The Following Report Contains a Lot of Misinformation and TOTALLY fails to Mention The World Trade Organisation for GLOBAL Trade or the Open Port system

Does not even Mention the Possibility of Renewed Trade With the British Commonwealth Countries (many of which the UK Almost destroyed when it stopped trading with Commonwealth countries to join the EU)

What is Brexit?

Brexit - British exit - refers to the UK leaving the EU.

What is the European Union?

The EU is an economic and political union involving 28 European countries. It allows free trade and free movement of people to live and work in whichever country they choose.

At this stage one might like to ask oneself at what time did China join the EU !?!

As we all know, China floods the UK with goods at prices far cheaper than they could even be manufactured in the EU

Nobody ever explains this strange economic twist

Perhaps we should have a quick look round our homes to see exactly what we use/ware that is manufactured in the EU

Personally, the only clothing I own that is produced in the EU are the brightly coloured canvas Flossy sandals manufactured in Spain

I have to say that less than 5% of my goods and chattels have been manufactured in the EU

I ask everyone to take a look around their own homes

The UK joined in 1973 (when it was known as the European Economic Community). If the UK leaves as planned on 31 October, it would be the first member state to withdraw from the EU.

Why is the UK leaving?

A public vote - or referendum - was held on Thursday 23 June 2016, to decide whether the UK should leave or remain.

Leave won by 52% to 48%. The referendum turnout was very high at 72%, with more than 30 million people voting - 17.4 million people voted for Brexit.

Why hasn't Brexit happened yet?

Brexit was due to happen on 29 March 2019. That was two years after then Prime Minister Theresa May triggered Article 50 - the formal process to leave - and kicked off negotiations. But the Brexit date has been delayed twice.

The UK and the EU agreed a deal in November 2018 but MPs rejected it three times.

What is the Brexit deal?

The deal consisted of a binding withdrawal agreement - which set out the terms for the "divorce" process - and a non-binding political declaration on the nature of the future relationship between the UK and EU.

The withdrawal agreement covered a range of things including:

    the rights of EU citizens in the UK and British citizens in the EU
    how much money the UK was to pay the EU (widely thought to be £39bn)
    the backstop for the Irish border

Why did Parliament reject the Brexit deal?

The main sticking point for many Conservative and DUP MPs was the backstop.

Currently, there are no border posts, physical barriers or checks on people or goods crossing the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. The backstop is designed to ensure that continues after the UK leaves the EU.

It comes into effect only if a comprehensive free trade deal is not quickly agreed between the UK and EU. It would keep the UK effectively inside the EU's customs union but with Northern Ireland also conforming to some rules of the single market.

Critics say a different status for Northern Ireland could threaten the existence of the United Kingdom and fear that the backstop could become permanent. But supporters say it is necessary to maintain peace in Northern Ireland.

Could the UK leave with no deal?

Prime Minister Boris Johnson wants the EU to remove the backstop from the deal. He wants "alternative arrangements" and technological solutions instead.

But the EU has so far refused to change the backstop.

Mr Johnson has said the UK must leave on 31 October, even if that is without a deal.

That means the UK will leave the customs union and single market overnight.

What are the customs union and the single market?

The customs union ensures that all EU countries charge the same taxes on goods coming in from outside. They do not charge taxes on each other's goods. But members cannot strike their own trade deals.

The single market enables goods, services, people and money to move between all 28 EU member states, as well as Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland, who are members of the European Economic Area. Countries in the single market apply many common rules and standards.

A UK company can sell its product (goods) in Portugal as easily as it can in Portsmouth, bring back the cash (capital), offer maintenance (services) and dispatch a repair team (people).

Will a no-deal Brexit cause disruption?

If the UK leaves the customs union and single market then the EU will start carrying out checks on British goods. This could lead to delays at ports, such as Dover. Some fear that this could lead to traffic bottlenecks, disrupting supply routes and damaging the economy.

Mr Johnson has tried to calm such fears by announcing an extra £2.1bn of funding to prepare for a possible no-deal outcome on 31 October.

What happens next with Brexit?

If nothing else happens, the UK will leave without a deal on 31 October 2019.

But the prime minister says he still wants to leave with a deal on that date, and lots of MPs say they will try to stop the UK leaving without one.

Stopping a no-deal Brexit became more difficult after Mr Johnson announced he would be suspending Parliament - known as prorogation - for five weeks in September and October.

Actually this is yet more misinformation

Traditionally Parliament closes/recesses for 3 weeks to enable party conferences to take place from mid September until a week or so into October

The media keeps going on about Boris calling for a 5 week closure

All Boris is actually asking for is an extra 2 week recess - logical really as he has not long been in office and has a great deal to sort out not just BREXIT

This will cut the number of working days MPs have in Parliament to try and stop it, with critics claiming it is a deliberate ploy by the PM to cut them out.

But the government says the move allows them to reset and start work on policies away from Brexit.

Could no-deal Brexit be stopped?

Most MPs are against a no-deal Brexit - with the leaders of Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Green Party voicing their opposition.

One way to prevent a no-deal outcome would be to try to topple the government with a vote of no confidence and replace it with an alternative one that would seek a delay to Brexit, in order to allow a general election or another referendum to take place.

The other way is passing a law to force the government to ask the EU for a delay.

Some campaigners are also looking into launching a judicial review in the courts to stop Mr Johnson proroguing Parliament.

Brexit could also be cancelled completely by MPs, although few have suggested that they would support that, without the need for the EU's agreement.

How will a no-deal Brexit affect me?

A no-deal Brexit could affect individuals in all sorts of different ways.

If the pound falls sharply in response to no deal and there are significant delays at ports, like Dover, it could affect the price and availability of some foods. There are also concerns over potential shortages of medicines, although the government has said much preparation has been done to avoid this.

Most economists and business groups believe no deal would lead to economic harm.

For example, the Office for Budget Responsibility - which provides independent analysis of the UK's public finances - believes a no-deal Brexit would cause a UK recession.

But many Brexit supporters say it is hard to accurately predict what will happen or believe any economic disruption will be short-term and minor.

Link to Chart (and other photos) showing where the UK's food comes from - 50% from the UK itself and 30% from the EU:

Yet more misinformation

The EU does NOT allow the UK, and other member states, to sell fruit or vegetables which do not meet EU regulations on shape and size

In plain terms, the EU makes the UK destroy VAST AMOUNTS of food fit for human consumption, just because it does not look the way they say it should

I can assure you, dear reader, that my stomach really does not care what shape my food was before I cooked it

EU citizens in the UK can apply for settled status, allowing them to remain in the country even if there is a no deal. UK expats in the EU are advised to register as residents of the country in which they live.

UK citizens travelling to the EU will need to ensure passports are valid for at least six months on 31 October and will require an international driving permit if intending to use a car.

European Health Insurance Cards (EHIC) will no longer be valid.

People who holiday outside the EU manage to obtain inexpensive insurance

Pet passports will also no longer be valid.

Most people who travel with pets have INTERNATION pet passports

A range of other effects and consequences have been discussed.

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:33 am
Author: Anthea
UK media is still awash with rubbish and terminal inexactitudes (lies)


    Boris Johnson only became Prime Minister 12 days before the summer break

    Parliament always has a autumn break during which political parties hold their conferences

    These breaks normally last for only 3 or 4 weeks

    Boris asks for a 5 week break, understandable given the short amount of time he has been in office

Re: BREXIT : what's happened ?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:35 pm
Author: Anthea
Bit of history:

How John Major's Foreign Secretary faced
TREASON charges over Maastricht

During a speech in 1991, the Bristol-born politician expressed his desire to place “Britain at the heart of Europe” with the Maastricht Treaty.

Douglas Hurd faced treason charges for signing the most important agreement in the history of the EU

The Treaty is the international agreement that saw what was then the EEC evolve into the EU with initially only 12 member states.

It laid down the groundwork for economic and monetary union with a single currency at its heart, new rules on inflation, debt and interest rate regulations and greatly increased the powers of the European Commission.

On February 7, 1992, Financial Secretary to the Treasury Francis Maude and Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd signed the Treaty without consulting the British public, and launched Britain into the next chapter of the life of the European Community: the European Union.

British academic and political commentator Rodney Atkinson and Norris McWhiter, known internationally for the founding of The Guinness Book of Records, laid misprision of treason charges against the two politicians for signing the agreement.

Mr Atkinson and Mr McWhiter claimed the Foreign Secretary and the Financial Secretary to the Treasury did not have the full powers of Her Majesty’s Government when they did so and therefore breached their Oath of Office.

In their 1994 book “Treason at Maastricht”, the two academics wrote: “Our main aim was to expose the extent and gravity of the effective removal of the British constitution, the powers of parliament and the democratic sovereignty of the British people.

“We merely pointed out what the British constitution, common law and various statutes called treason.”

Their case failed, though Mr Atkinson argued that it and the book were instrumental in sewing the seeds of discord between Britain and Europe.

He said: “The treason charges set a marker for future conflicts between the voters and the politicians.

“The charges are important today as we seek to ensure a genuine return of democratic sovereignty from the EU, not just to British people but to other nation states.”